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  1. #1

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    Advice requested on transaction:

    So on 2016/2/3 07:38 JST, I made a transaction of $36.00 USD to "Yohoho".

    So since my paypal account is Japanese, I cannot send as "Friends or family" which is what he wanted me to do.
    The deal was $18/m, and he asked me to go first, and not just that, but also to share my screen, which I did, rather reluctantly.
    So he saw my previous transactions to other sellers from Bot-supply, and he then proceeds to ask me to tell him my username-password for bot-supply. (Apparently he suspected that I was going to dispute claims because I dont have the family-friends option, and he wanted to "verify my ipn")
    I was very reluctant to do this because I bought several bots already and I didn't want to share those with him, or give my details like that, but if thats what it took to get his trust, I would, but I was going to make sure that I registered my e-mail and such so that I could change the password if required and therefore I told him I would cut the skype call for a few moments. His response was "cutting the call huh you're just going to stop now that I know what you did??? nice try but it's not going to work, enjoy charging back with ur freaking vpn" an he then instantly removed me off skype.

    I have now disputed the claim on paypal as I have not received any PoE, and he escalated the claim, responding to it with "2016/2/3 11:21 JST - Seller: The opposing party is attempting to frame what is actually happening. He RECEIVED the items. After our conversation ended ALL ITEMS WERE GIVEN TO HIM. He paid me after getting all of the items. These are virtual goods, the buyer has foolishly attempted to get his money back after receiving the money in-game. Feel free to post the skype conversation, it proves nothing. If you had been recording the entire time PLEASE DO post the video, because we can see that the virtual goods are given to you in entirety. Nice try, but PayPal knows how Virtual Goods work. You won't be getting away with this."

    What do I do regarding this since he refuses to communicate with me and sort it out non-aggressively?

    P.S. I do have the skype conversation and in the future, I may take a video.

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    I'm assuming you are the buyer here, did you bother to see if the seller had a bot-supply account and verify that? It sounds like he is scamming you (obviously). I think your only option is to continue with the dispute and hope paypal sides in your favour, they are a bit dodgy with virtual goods however in my experience I have found that more often than not the buyer will win, not the seller. The Paypal name does not ring any bells for me as to who the buyer could be sorry, best of luck sorting this out!

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    Quote Originally Posted by nathan463 View Post
    I'm assuming you are the buyer here, did you bother to see if the seller had a bot-supply account and verify that? It sounds like he is scamming you (obviously). I think your only option is to continue with the dispute and hope paypal sides in your favour, they are a bit dodgy with virtual goods however in my experience I have found that more often than not the buyer will win, not the seller. The Paypal name does not ring any bells for me as to who the buyer could be sorry, best of luck sorting this out!
    He does have a bot-supply account actually, "Yohoho".
    Here's his post:

    Quote Originally Posted by Yohoho View Post
    Hi everyone,I'm Andi and I'm here to sell poe on meridian/emerald.

    Price:lowest.Discounts for 3+ M!

    -I reserve the right to deny transactions!
    - I accept only gift payments!
    -You will go first ! (I've made the mistake to send first 500k to houseli Skype:dartos.rebon-Turkey and he is a scammer,so avoid him)!
    -Minimum amount to buy is 1 M !

    Stock: 15+ M.


    Skype: andi.be11
    Thank you for your response though! I will keep in contact with Paypal regarding this.
    Last edited by hiroyukiwatanabe15; 02-04-2016 at 08:03 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hiroyukiwatanabe15 View Post
    So on 2016/2/3 07:38 JST, I made a transaction of $36.00 USD to "Yohoho".

    So since my paypal account is Japanese, I cannot send as "Friends or family" which is what he wanted me to do.
    The deal was $18/m, and he asked me to go first, and not just that, but also to share my screen, which I did, rather reluctantly.
    So he saw my previous transactions to other sellers from Bot-supply, and he then proceeds to ask me to tell him my username-password for bot-supply. (Apparently he suspected that I was going to dispute claims because I dont have the family-friends option, and he wanted to "verify my ipn")
    I was very reluctant to do this because I bought several bots already and I didn't want to share those with him, or give my details like that, but if thats what it took to get his trust, I would, but I was going to make sure that I registered my e-mail and such so that I could change the password if required and therefore I told him I would cut the skype call for a few moments. His response was "cutting the call huh you're just going to stop now that I know what you did??? nice try but it's not going to work, enjoy charging back with ur freaking vpn" an he then instantly removed me off skype.

    I have now disputed the claim on paypal as I have not received any PoE, and he escalated the claim, responding to it with "2016/2/3 11:21 JST - Seller: The opposing party is attempting to frame what is actually happening. He RECEIVED the items. After our conversation ended ALL ITEMS WERE GIVEN TO HIM. He paid me after getting all of the items. These are virtual goods, the buyer has foolishly attempted to get his money back after receiving the money in-game. Feel free to post the skype conversation, it proves nothing. If you had been recording the entire time PLEASE DO post the video, because we can see that the virtual goods are given to you in entirety. Nice try, but PayPal knows how Virtual Goods work. You won't be getting away with this."

    What do I do regarding this since he refuses to communicate with me and sort it out non-aggressively?

    P.S. I do have the skype conversation and in the future, I may take a video.
    Highly doubt Yohoho would scam - check the skype of each and every person you trade with.

    Perhaps he changed a letter of something (e.g. an l for and i a 1 for an i, etc.) there's plenty of things that could have happened.

    With virtual goods though this shit gets tricky, he may win this but it will most definitely serve as a lesson.


    More importantly though, I'm really surprised at Yohoho, please discuss the situation with him over PM before tainting his rep. I'm sure he would sort you with a refund if it was actually him.

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    what I think happened (I wasn't there so I wouldn't know) is Yohoho felt like you using the payment through goods not family(I am aware of the Japan problem) he assumed you would just refund and left you with that option, I do think the customer service after payment should have went differently though.

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    My original and only skype is andi.be11 .I was busy past 3-4 days,I didn't made any trade.You've been scammed by another guy using my name!My last paypal transaction is from 30 jan, with Clutch06!

    I don't have any skype conversation with you,you are not even added to my list,I don't have any PM received from you.Next time be aware!

    I've received thousand of $ without scamming anybody,I would never scam someone for 36$.Please post SS of paypal transaction and mail to avoid that guy in the future! (Sorry for my poor english).222xxxxx.jpgClick image for larger version. 

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    This is the entire conversation with him on skype: <NOTE: Sorry, this is going to be long>:

    [2016/02/02 3:09:21] *** Andi Binder would like to add you on Skype

    Hi Extra Account, I'd like to add you as a contact. ***
    [2016/02/02 3:09:29] *** Extra Account has shared contact details with Andi Binder. ***
    [2016/02/02 3:09:46] Andi Binder: http://bot-supply.com/forum/puzzle-p...counts-10.html
    did you add the wrong account
    [2016/02/02 3:09:54] Andi Binder: Are you interested in PoE or do I have the wrong person
    [2016/02/02 3:10:02] Extra Account: No, you have the right person
    [2016/02/02 3:10:09] Andi Binder: was wondering if you took Emerald, or should I swap over to Meridean
    [2016/02/02 3:10:14] Andi Binder: is it an issue?
    [2016/02/02 3:10:45] Extra Account: I'm on meri actually ^^
    [2016/02/02 3:10:48] Extra Account: Is that ok
    [2016/02/02 3:11:20] Andi Binder: Yeah that's fine
    [2016/02/02 3:11:35] Andi Binder: are you ranked in poker or swordfighting?
    [2016/02/02 3:11:40] Extra Account: In poker yes
    [2016/02/02 3:11:42] Extra Account:
    [2016/02/02 3:12:03] Andi Binder: -I reserve the right to deny transactions!
    - I accept only gift payments!
    -Minimum amount to buy is 1 M !

    do you agree to my terms of service?
    [2016/02/02 3:12:15] Andi Binder: you are not a staff on YPP
    you will not report the seller
    [2016/02/02 3:12:34] Andi Binder: and you will vouch
    [2016/02/02 3:12:59] Extra Account: Yes the $25 on the offer page was for a friend, I contacted you to know your price
    [2016/02/02 3:13:08] Extra Account: I agree to the ToS.
    [2016/02/02 3:13:51] Andi Binder: $23 for 1m $20 for 5m+ $19 for 10m+ and $18 if you take all 15
    [2016/02/02 3:13:58] Andi Binder: all in USD
    [2016/02/02 3:14:14] Extra Account: I need to do a little calculation first though
    [2016/02/02 3:14:18] Andi Binder: No worries.
    [2016/02/02 3:15:33] Andi Binder: If you want, we can do this fast, or it can wait for a few hours as I've got to go in 20
    [2016/02/02 3:15:55] Andi Binder: There's time for both but I have basketball practice to leave to in 20
    [2016/02/02 3:16:13] Andi Binder: Or we can go fast, I'd be gone for about 3 hours.
    [2016/02/02 3:17:51] Extra Account: I see! Sorry, just give me a few more minutes
    [2016/02/02 3:18:18] Andi Binder: I'll give you three minutes and then I'll just choose to do it later, for time sake.
    [2016/02/02 3:19:10] Extra Account: I understand
    [2016/02/02 3:19:11] Extra Account:
    [2016/02/02 3:19:40] Extra Account: I'll do the transaction later then, I need to verify my bank balance again anywho
    [2016/02/02 3:19:47] Extra Account: I'll keep in touch ^^
    [2016/02/02 3:19:55] Andi Binder: No worries. I'll be here in around 3 hours
    [2016/02/02 3:20:10] Andi Binder: Take care, and do me a favour, decline the requests to all the others you've added. I want you to be my customer
    [2016/02/02 3:20:12] Extra Account: Its actually about 3am here, so it'll be a little for me
    [2016/02/02 3:20:18] Extra Account: Oooh
    [2016/02/02 3:20:21] Andi Binder: We can do it later then haha.
    [2016/02/02 3:20:22] Andi Binder: Take care
    [2016/02/02 3:20:36] Extra Account: I will
    [2016/02/02 3:20:38] Extra Account: You too ^^
    [2016/02/02 8:22:40] Andi Binder: Just let me know when you're back
    [2016/02/02 21:11:30] Extra Account: I'm online if you are
    [2016/02/03 1:24:03] Andi Binder: Online
    [2016/02/03 1:24:04] Andi Binder: are you?
    [2016/02/03 1:37:45] Extra Account: Hi Andi! Would it be impossible to do 18$ per for 2m?
    [2016/02/03 7:08:35] Andi Binder: Hmm
    [2016/02/03 7:08:40] Andi Binder: Yeah that's possible
    [2016/02/03 7:08:54] Andi Binder: assuming you're buying it all at once and today
    [2016/02/03 7:09:58] Extra Account: How much would that be in total in that case?
    [2016/02/03 7:10:09] Andi Binder: $36 for 2m I believe
    [2016/02/03 7:10:42 | Edited 7:12:00] Extra Account: Let me take a look logging in now
    [2016/02/03 7:11:12] Andi Binder: I'll private message you on merid and say 'want to do 200k 1on1 aof?'
    [2016/02/03 7:11:15] Andi Binder: then invite you to a house
    [2016/02/03 7:11:19] Andi Binder: we do a private table
    [2016/02/03 7:11:27] Andi Binder: i constantly all in with 200k and exit
    [2016/02/03 7:11:40] Andi Binder: do you have 20k on your account for this to work?
    [2016/02/03 7:12:42] Extra Account: Would going on my main be safe?
    [2016/02/03 7:12:59] Andi Binder: Yeah
    [2016/02/03 7:13:06] Andi Binder: I'll be doing the trade with a jolly account
    [2016/02/03 7:13:09] Andi Binder: hoping you will too
    [2016/02/03 7:13:13] Extra Account: whats a jolly account?
    [2016/02/03 7:13:14] Extra Account:
    [2016/02/03 7:13:32] Andi Binder: jolly roger
    [2016/02/03 7:13:35] Andi Binder: like an older account
    [2016/02/03 7:13:37] Andi Binder: to lessen chance of a ban
    [2016/02/03 7:13:54] Extra Account: I've got over 5 years, does that count?
    [2016/02/03 7:14:22] Andi Binder: Yeah thats perfect
    [2016/02/03 7:14:55] Extra Account: IGN <removed>
    [2016/02/03 7:15:03] Extra Account: Ive got about <removed> atm though ><
    [2016/02/03 7:15:12] Andi Binder: You need 20k in cash
    [2016/02/03 7:15:13] Andi Binder: that's fine
    [2016/02/03 7:15:16] Andi Binder: and okay
    [2016/02/03 7:15:24] Andi Binder: first send the payment over, and just a moment
    [2016/02/03 7:16:07] Andi Binder: can you please agree to my terms again? scroll up incase you missed them yesterday
    [2016/02/03 7:16:24] Extra Account: -I reserve the right to deny transactions!
    - I accept only gift payments!
    -Minimum amount to buy is 1 M !

    do you agree to my terms of service?
    you are not a staff on YPP
    you will not report the seller
    and you will vouch
    [2016/02/03 7:16:37] Extra Account: Sorry, what are gift payments again?
    [2016/02/03 7:17:04] Andi Binder: friends/family
    [2016/02/03 7:17:17] Extra Account: I do not appear to have that option on my paypal
    [2016/02/03 7:19:52] Andi Binder: everyone should have that option
    [2016/02/03 7:19:56] Andi Binder: please fix that problem
    [2016/02/03 7:20:05] Andi Binder: pinkhatrs@gmail.com
    send as friends/family

    ENTER THIS NOTE:
    The following is a purchase for a virtual good that I have already received. I will not chargeback as I have already received the item, I have no intention of doing so. This money is for the seller.
    [2016/02/03 7:24:30] Extra Account: I think that because I don't have a US paypal account, I can't find the family friends option
    [2016/02/03 7:25:17] Extra Account: Mostly because I'm from Japan
    [2016/02/03 7:27:29] Extra Account: I will not dispute though, so you don't have to worry about that ><
    [2016/02/03 7:28:19] Andi Binder: Well
    [2016/02/03 7:28:26] Andi Binder: every paypal will have the friends/family option
    [2016/02/03 7:28:46] Andi Binder: otherwise you couldn't send to your family in canada if that were it
    [2016/02/03 7:28:47] Extra Account: https://www.paypal-community.com/t5/...on/td-p/669341
    [2016/02/03 7:29:00] Andi Binder: Show me a screenshot of your paypal and then sending options
    [2016/02/03 7:29:08] Extra Account: Okay
    [2016/02/03 7:29:14] Andi Binder: screenshare it please
    [2016/02/03 7:30:03] Extra Account: Do i call you?
    [2016/02/03 7:30:09] *** Call from Andi Binder ***
    [2016/02/03 7:30:13] Andi Binder: yep
    [2016/02/03 7:30:15] Andi Binder: press the + button
    [2016/02/03 7:30:52] Extra Account: 3can you see?
    [2016/02/03 7:30:56] Andi Binder: yep
    [2016/02/03 7:31:10] Andi Binder: click send and request
    [2016/02/03 7:31:30] Andi Binder: hmm
    [2016/02/03 7:31:37] Andi Binder: okay
    [2016/02/03 7:31:39] Andi Binder: that's fine
    [2016/02/03 7:31:41] Andi Binder: but you'll have to add the note
    [2016/02/03 7:31:46] Extra Account: I understand
    [2016/02/03 7:31:48] Andi Binder: and I want to watch you entering this all
    [2016/02/03 7:31:52] Andi Binder: so keep sccreenshare on
    [2016/02/03 7:31:59] Andi Binder: go through your VPN and such
    [2016/02/03 7:31:59] Extra Account: Gotcha
    [2016/02/03 7:32:01] Andi Binder: to ensure no change of IP
    [2016/02/03 7:32:07] Extra Account: my vpn?
    [2016/02/03 7:32:25] Andi Binder: whats the checksign in red at the bottom
    [2016/02/03 7:32:35] Andi Binder: to the right of puzzle pirates
    [2016/02/03 7:32:41] Andi Binder: oh
    [2016/02/03 7:32:42] Andi Binder: lmao
    [2016/02/03 7:32:44] Andi Binder: ok nvm
    [2016/02/03 7:32:46] Extra Account: looool
    [2016/02/03 7:32:47] Andi Binder: just send it with the note
    [2016/02/03 7:32:56] Andi Binder: pinkhatrs@gmail.com
    send as friends/family
    The following is a purchase for a virtual good that I have already received. I will not chargeback as I have already received the item, I have no intention of doing so. This money is for the seller.
    [2016/02/03 7:33:07] Andi Binder: yep that one
    [2016/02/03 7:33:46] Extra Account: pinkhatrs@gmail.com
    send as friends/family

    ENTER THIS NOTE:
    The following is a purchase for a virtual good that I have already received. I will not chargeback as I have already received the item, I have no intention of doing so. This money is for the seller.Where do i enter the note?
    [2016/02/03 7:33:52] Andi Binder: let me see the screen
    [2016/02/03 7:34:01] Andi Binder: maybe special instructions?
    [2016/02/03 7:34:07] Extra Account: okay
    [2016/02/03 7:34:32] Andi Binder: now enter your name at the very bototm of that message
    [2016/02/03 7:34:34] Andi Binder: as if ur sigining it
    [2016/02/03 7:34:46] Extra Account: Will sign my email on it
    [2016/02/03 7:34:47] Andi Binder: kk
    [2016/02/03 7:35:28] Andi Binder: yep
    [2016/02/03 7:35:40] Extra Account: So can you send me a tell in game first?
    [2016/02/03 7:35:45] Andi Binder: After purchase incase you decline
    [2016/02/03 7:35:51] Extra Account: oh ok
    [2016/02/03 7:35:53] Andi Binder: to avoid bans incase anything is fishy
    [2016/02/03 7:35:59] Extra Account: thats fine with me
    [2016/02/03 7:36:11] Extra Account: just that im going first so im kinda worried ._.
    [2016/02/03 7:36:24] Andi Binder: just one sec
    [2016/02/03 7:36:26] Andi Binder: dont send yet
    [2016/02/03 7:36:28] Extra Account: okie
    [2016/02/03 7:36:28] Andi Binder: let me just be ready
    [2016/02/03 7:36:32] Andi Binder: i can tell u want it fast :P
    [2016/02/03 7:36:35] Extra Account: haha
    [2016/02/03 7:37:01] Andi Binder: pirate user agian?
    [2016/02/03 7:37:23] Extra Account: <removed>
    [2016/02/03 7:37:48] Andi Binder: okay send
    [2016/02/03 7:38:03] Andi Binder: ill confirm i got it in a sec
    [2016/02/03 7:38:05] Extra Account: ok
    [2016/02/03 7:39:26] Extra Account: All good?
    [2016/02/03 7:39:46] Andi Binder: Yeah one thing
    [2016/02/03 7:39:58] Andi Binder: I see payments to Botsupply on paypal
    [2016/02/03 7:40:08] Extra Account: Mhm?
    [2016/02/03 7:40:25] Andi Binder: just to make sure it's your paypal, can you let me see your botsupply to make sure you have the bots you paid for?
    [2016/02/03 7:40:34] Extra Account: er
    [2016/02/03 7:40:37] Extra Account: okay
    [2016/02/03 7:40:43] Extra Account: do you mean my supply crate?
    [2016/02/03 7:40:45] Andi Binder: sorry this is the only thing I'm cautious about incase of charge back
    [2016/02/03 7:40:47] Andi Binder: yeah
    [2016/02/03 7:40:49] Andi Binder: here
    [2016/02/03 7:40:55] Andi Binder: what is the user and pass to what u login to on supply crate
    [2016/02/03 7:40:58] Andi Binder: just to make sure
    [2016/02/03 7:41:10] Extra Account: I'd rather not type in that information, but I'll show you.
    [2016/02/03 7:41:31] Andi Binder: I just want to see the history and everything
    [2016/02/03 7:41:43] Andi Binder: for myself, IPS and everything to make sure it's you
    [2016/02/03 7:41:46] Extra Account: oh
    [2016/02/03 7:41:48] Extra Account: well
    [2016/02/03 7:41:53] Extra Account: i cnaj ust login on mine
    [2016/02/03 7:41:55] Extra Account: can*
    [2016/02/03 7:42:16] Andi Binder: Yeah but I want to see on mine to see the IP changes, if you use a VPN you can chargeback
    [2016/02/03 7:42:33] Extra Account: I didnt know i can do that
    [2016/02/03 7:42:35] Extra Account: but okay
    [2016/02/03 7:43:00] Extra Account: cutting the call thogh
    [2016/02/03 7:43:13] *** Call ended, duration 13:02 ***
    [2016/02/03 7:43:38] Andi Binder: cutting the call huh you're just going to stop now that I know what you did??? nice try but it's not going to work, enjoy charging back with ur freaking vpn
    [2016/02/03 7:43:42] Extra Account: er
    [2016/02/03 7:44:03] Extra Account: Dude


    His paypal account and e-mail/payment information.
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    In the future ask for a PM before trade,anyone can say that is Yohoho trying to scam people using my reputation!

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    I told you to create a Thread in the Report a Member section, errrgh.

    Add me on Skype, I'll take a closer look at it.

    #moved
    Who do you think you are?


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    Problem fixed and request to have thread removed.

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