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Thread: [Tips] How to win at All in or Fold poker [AoF]

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    [Tips] How to win at All in or Fold poker [AoF]

    How do I make my poe I sell? Poker.
    A basic combination of normal table winnings and AoF.
    [Warning] This is all opinion, if you use this guide and STILL struggle to win, I will not be held responsible...

    AoF Tips and tricks!
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    At an all in or fold Table I believe there are 2-3 major factors to do with winning/ playing the table.

    Player analysis is very important along with Card analysis.

    1. Card Analysis:

    What is it? Card analysis is the analysis of your own cards. This is rather, looking at your cards and judging if they are worthy of an all in. In AoFs I stick to ultra safe cards like AA, AK, KK, AQ and QQ occasionally, and dust most other cards unless I am up against an ultra loose player [check player analysis].
    How is it important? It comes down to your cards to win you a game. There is no bluffing or skill involved after the initial all in. It's do or die from there.
    But it is important to ensure you have the best hand possible when pushing; Just say you have AQ and there are like 5 more people pushing all in, In my opinion, I'd be extremely careful in calling or pushing on that. Think about it, a million poe is in the pot, why would the other 5 people call. Check your cards. AQ is prob rated as a semi top tier hand, but most likely there are many others with As who called and then you're then left with hitting the Q... It may not be worth it. Read your cards.

    2. Player analysis:

    What is it? Player analysis is the analysis of each and every player on that table. You just need to watch other players. Are they loose players? Do they often go in with low pockets [anything JJ or lower], AJ or are they a stingy player who only plays AA, AK or KK.
    Why is this important? This is vital as when you actually do get a good hand [Card analysis] and say one of the loose players raise and you have the option to push/call; you would definitely call. As you have a greater chance of winning.
    But what happens if a tight/stingy player all ins; well you are stuck at a hard choice then aren't you? Will your AK hold up against his very high hand. I have often layed down a hand like AQ or AJ and low pockets to such players; as the gamble isn't worth it. I believe it is easier to make your meal of those loose players. They will all have their moments, where they hit everything and anything, but if you play solidly and continuously you will not have a problem in the long run.Player analysis in my mind is just as important as hitting those cards, you have to know when to raise and when to lay them down. Like any other card table.

    3-ish: I can't stress patience enough, Hell I have sat at a table for 40 minutes not pushing and losing 20k in blinds to push later when I get the hand. It's better than losing the whole 200k or even worst, losing the 200k and re-buying to just lose it tilting.


    Note: Ironically I often see PoE buyers losing their cash back to me via AoF games and then rebuying it AGAIN, so be wary out there guys, I'm hitting the tables.

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    Really good guide. I am gonna AoF tonight using these new tips. =)

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    Nice guide, but sometimes you do see 3 3 winnings from AK.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Y0MANNN View Post
    Nice guide, but sometimes you do see 3 3 winnings from AK.
    Yep. You missed my point, I never play the short game, its all about the long game. In the long run consistently playing AA or AK will mean you win. Any long time player will realize this.

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    My tip: Don't play AoF

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    Quote Originally Posted by LastPoeSeller View Post
    Yep. You missed my point, I never play the short game, its all about the long game. In the long run consistently playing AA or AK will mean you win. Any long time player will realize this.
    Yea, sometimes I do all in with A A and there is always one loser to call with like 5 5 and ends up winning. Then I have to rebuy and go crazy on em, which eventually kills you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Champ View Post
    My tip: Don't play AoF
    You should write a guide on that.

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    Last edited by Deadpool; 01-25-2012 at 02:24 PM.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Y0MANNN View Post
    Nice guide, but sometimes you do see 3 3 winnings from AK.
    equity win tie pots won pots tied
    Hand 0: 52.730% 52.45% 00.28% 86215116 463218.00 { 33 }
    Hand 1: 47.270% 46.99% 00.28% 77239632 463218.00 { AKs, AKo }

    as you can see here 33 is a bit favorite against ak;


    Another very important thing in Aof multiway pots( at least 3 ppl go all in before you)

    If 3 or more ppl go all in before,you MUST avoid dominated hands like AK;AQ,KQ,QQ,JJ. Why? because you might be against a hand like KK and you will be dead to 3 aces( or even less)....theres a long story here,but if you trust my poker knowledge never call with those hands if 3 ppl before you went all in.

    Now,let me tell you a secret in those multiway pots:
    Lets say you have 87suited and 3 ppl before you went all in. Most of you think its an auto-fold,but is it?

    i runned a test in pokerstove :

    18,294,890,768 games 39.149 secs 467,314,382 games/sec

    Board:
    Dead:

    equity win tie pots won pots tied
    Hand 0: 20.441% 17.89% 02.55% 3273710656 466204403.08 { JJ+, AQs+, AQo+ }
    Hand 1: 27.695% 23.73% 03.97% 4340657736 726348194.08 { QQ+, AKs, AKo }
    Hand 2: 27.765% 23.78% 03.99% 4349953338 729945319.58 { QQ+, AKs, AKo }
    Hand 3: 24.099% 24.04% 00.06% 4398356538 10800591.25 { 87s }

    I gaved the 1st plyer JJ+,AQs+ and AQo+
    then i thought the next 2 players are a bit tight (because there an all in in front) and i gaved them both ak and QQ+

    as you can see, 87s have 24 equity,wich means you have the right ods to call 200k in order to win 800k pot;

    Beside that, you will create yourself a maniac image.when they see you call with 87s they will think you are stupid and they will call you with weaker hands in future,and that will help you a lot!

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    Quote Originally Posted by viridianseller View Post
    equity win tie pots won pots tied
    Hand 0: 52.730% 52.45% 00.28% 86215116 463218.00 { 33 }
    Hand 1: 47.270% 46.99% 00.28% 77239632 463218.00 { AKs, AKo }

    as you can see here 33 is a bit favorite against ak;


    Another very important thing in Aof multiway pots( at least 3 ppl go all in before you)

    If 3 or more ppl go all in before,you MUST avoid dominated hands like AK;AQ,KQ,QQ,JJ. Why? because you might be against a hand like KK and you will be dead to 3 aces( or even less)....theres a long story here,but if you trust my poker knowledge never call with those hands if 3 ppl before you went all in.

    Now,let me tell you a secret in those multiway pots:
    Lets say you have 87suited and 3 ppl before you went all in. Most of you think its an auto-fold,but is it?

    i runned a test in pokerstove :

    18,294,890,768 games 39.149 secs 467,314,382 games/sec

    Board:
    Dead:

    equity win tie pots won pots tied
    Hand 0: 20.441% 17.89% 02.55% 3273710656 466204403.08 { JJ+, AQs+, AQo+ }
    Hand 1: 27.695% 23.73% 03.97% 4340657736 726348194.08 { QQ+, AKs, AKo }
    Hand 2: 27.765% 23.78% 03.99% 4349953338 729945319.58 { QQ+, AKs, AKo }
    Hand 3: 24.099% 24.04% 00.06% 4398356538 10800591.25 { 87s }

    I gaved the 1st plyer JJ+,AQs+ and AQo+
    then i thought the next 2 players are a bit tight (because there an all in in front) and i gaved them both ak and QQ+

    as you can see, 87s have 24 equity,wich means you have the right ods to call 200k in order to win 800k pot;

    Beside that, you will create yourself a maniac image.when they see you call with 87s they will think you are stupid and they will call you with weaker hands in future,and that will help you a lot!
    Damn! Very nice Viridian, I never thought to plug it in into a simulator... Too lazy I guess. Idk, I'm a super tight player and dont push anything lower than AK really... Like KK/ AA as such only... I even struggle to push a JJ or QQ; if I even do it.

    In a multiway, It is a good point to point out most others will have a really high card, just like when you play a normal table and everyone calls like a 12k call, a small hand call might not be a bad idea.

    in the 33 simulation, in fairness, people tend to fold with small hands. So there is more likely to be a 3 folded than an A or a K folded in the preflop. <- Yes that's an opinion with no proof, but its a mentality in my mind.
    In saying that though, low pockets are quite useful to play, I recently won a 1.4 mil poe (2 days ago or something) with 33 against a 10J, just because the person I couldn't be arsed waiting for a hand.

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    And that's why Viridianseller has sold millions ^^

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