Mandatory Verifications for Account Selling. {Outdated/Not Relevant}

[Scarecrow]

Ahoy!

So over the past few weeks, scamming as increased, as well as people trying to sell scammed accounts. So what I have decided to do, and with Face's permission, is that all accounts to be sold on www.bot-supply.com will have to be verified by a moderator +.

People who are only allowed to verify accounts on behalf of Bot-Supply.

- Face
- Sobo
- Sticky
- Scarecrow
- Toxic

All people trying to sell without verification by a moderator + will be closed and all information in the main post will be removed. This is to prevent scamming and the selling of stolen accounts.

How do I get verified?

You PM one of the people listed above, and get their Skype or MSN. You will then show them the Puzzle Pirates account, and the email connected to that account. You will then LOG-ON that email address to prove it. You will also be required to show us your I.P AND ISP (Internet Service Provider) without a VPN (Virtual Private Network) or a VM (Virtual Machine) running. We will then access our database of IP's to check that you are who you are and not an imposter, or an evader. If all checks go well, you will able to sell the account. If not, you will not be able to sell and the moderator WILL POST on that thread.

If you refuse verification you will be suspended for 2 days, if the verification is not positive, you will be banned.

How to know if someone is verified?

A moderator + will post a message in your thread.

How can you help?

Come to a moderator before you try and sell your account/s to get verified first. That makes it a lot easier on us. Also, to not buy accounts UNTIL THEY HAVE BEEN VERIFIED.

I'm sorry to do this to you all, but a few members of the botting community think it is "Ok" to steal accounts and sell them for personal profit, so these rules need to be put in place to protect people from being scammed, and to try and stop the transferring of the stolen accounts around the community.

Thanks guys. <3
Scare

[Franky]

Does this effect pre-exsisting threads?

[wastedbro]

Is this really necessary? Verification is a small step to deter scamming, and since only a few people can do it, it's also inconvenient. Verification can easily be done between the buyer and seller, and if it isn't, then I feel no sympathy for the buyer who obviously doesn't know what he's doing. We've made the procedures to a safe trade public and easy to access.

This is babying that helps the minority at the cost of the majority.

[Scarecrow]

No, it is only the ones created after this thread.

And yes Wastedbro, it is, If you don't like it, you don't have to be here.

[wastedbro]

No, it is only the ones created after this thread.

And yes Wastedbro, it is, If you don't like it, you don't have to be here.

So basically you won't defend your decision. Instead, you feel the need to say, in other words, "I don't care what my users think about my rules, nor will I explain them".

It's funny, I remember when Dave used to do that, you know, right before his site fell to shit?

[Scarecrow]

So basically you won't defend your decision. Instead, you feel the need to say, in other words, "I don't care what my users think about my rules, nor will I explain them".

It's funny, I remember when Dave used to do that, you know, right before his site fell to shit?

No, but I don't have to sit here and explain to an ex-mod a move that both Face and I agree on, that will ultimately protect our community even that tiny bit more. It unfortunately is necessary for the rule to be in place because of the level of scams that have taken place, if you honestly don't agree with what we have done. Lodge a complaint to Face.

[wastedbro]

No, but I don't have to sit here and explain to an ex-mod a move that both Face and I agree on, that will ultimately protect our community even that tiny bit more. It unfortunately is necessary for the rule to be in place because of the level of scams that have taken place, if you honestly don't agree with what we have done. Lodge a complaint to Face.

Ok. Since my argument against it isn't enough, how about a counter-proposal?

Instead of forcing users to trade how you want, how about following in the footsteps of successful marketplaces?

Instead of absolutely forcing people to verify accounts, why not manipulate the forum structure that helps users find the best places to buy from?

How about making a subforum for unverified accounts, and verified accounts. Users post their account in the unverified section, and mods may ask for verification. If the user agrees, the mod verifies. If the verification fails, the mod may ban the user, or give an infraction or two based on the accuracy of the description in the thread. If the verification goes well and turns out true, the mod posts that the thread is verified (maybe post an image with big letters spelling "verified"), and move the thread to the verified section.

Also, if the user refuses verification, the mod may close the thread or post something to signal that there is reasonable belief that the user is out to scam.

This way, users aren't FORCED to wait, but have the decision to choose between safe and less safe, and also keeps the marketplace 100% free. This also makes sure the users won't overlook the verification process, as it's impossible to miss. Whereas users may not see this thread, as most scammers won't. Also, the mods won't receive any more work

Of course users who can't read may not benefit from this.

[Sobo]

Just a bit of an update:

Any thread created after this post will be required to have a Prefix selected with it. You can locate the prefix box here:




You MUST select the Awaiting Verification (mandatory) prefix (seeing as how thats the only one hehe) Located here:





If you do not select this prefix the thread will not post.

Also note - once a Moderator+ has verified your account they will then change the Awaiting Verification to a Verified prefix.

[Scarecrow]

Ok. Since my argument against it isn't enough, how about a counter-proposal?

Instead of forcing users to trade how you want, how about following in the footsteps of successful marketplaces?

Instead of absolutely forcing people to verify accounts, why not manipulate the forum structure that helps users find the best places to buy from?

How about making a subforum for unverified accounts, and verified accounts. Users post their account in the unverified section, and mods may ask for verification. If the user agrees, the mod verifies. If the verification fails, the mod may ban the user, or give an infraction or two based on the accuracy of the description in the thread. If the verification goes well and turns out true, the mod posts that the thread is verified (maybe post an image with big letters spelling "verified"), and move the thread to the verified section.

Also, if the user refuses verification, the mod may close the thread or post something to signal that there is reasonable belief that the user is out to scam.

This way, users aren't FORCED to wait, but have the decision to choose between safe and less safe, and also keeps the marketplace 100% free. This also makes sure the users won't overlook the verification process, as it's impossible to miss. Whereas users may not see this thread, as most scammers won't. Also, the mods won't receive any more work

Of course users who can't read may not benefit from this.

Keeping the forum free, maybe good. But unfortunately these days you can't trust anyone. Even so, if someone gets scammed on this website, the mods have to decide who scammed who and still work the report cases, which in my eyes, take a lot longer then a verification of an account would.


Honestly, like I said in the Skype chat when you argued about this for about half an hour, if you don't like what we do, Simple ; You don't have to be here. We've made this decision because we believe it is what we need to do to keep our community safe which is our job. We're doing that job by making mandatory verifications. If you still need help understanding why, contact Face and complain to him about what we are doing.

[wastedbro]

Keeping the forum free, maybe good. But unfortunately these days you can't trust anyone. Even so, if someone gets scammed on this website, the mods have to decide who scammed who and still work the report cases, which in my eyes, take a lot longer then a verification of an account would.


Honestly, like I said in the Skype chat when you argued about this for about half an hour, if you don't like what we do, Simple ; You don't have to be here. We've made this decision because we believe it is what we need to do to keep our community safe which is our job. We're doing that job by making mandatory verifications. If you still need help understanding why, contact Face and complain to him about what we are doing.

Arguing takes more than one person.

I understand completely. You think this will help users, albeit only the dull ones, and make it easier for you guys. It will probably work more efficiently in total. Reminds me of communism.

[Sobo]

It is kind of funny you are comparing us to Buypoe/Dave/a communistic society. Yet we have discussed your suggestion (we've even discussed it with you), looked at the positives and the negatives and ultimately decided to stick with the original plan. Just because Bot-Supply was built on "free speech and the freedom to express your opinion" doesn't mean we HAVE TO LISTEN TO IT.

Honestly, at this point you are posting to post and argue about something we've already talked about it. Any more please take it to skype.

[Xalyx]

Wastedbro makes a good point, especially about the verfied/unverified sections. But I guess me posting this is moot since it means nothing to anyone in charge.

[wastedbro]

It is kind of funny you are comparing us to Buypoe/Dave/a communistic society. Yet we have discussed your suggestion (we've even discussed it with you), looked at the positives and the negatives and ultimately decided to stick with the original plan. Just because Bot-Supply was built on "free speech and the freedom to express your opinion" doesn't mean we HAVE TO LISTEN TO IT.

Honestly, at this point you are posting to post and argue about something we've already talked about it. Any more please take it to skype.

Well, you may feel that the way you ended it was fair, yet in fact, it was handled in a bureaucratic way. No input from the people that this rule would be affected, making the decision biased.

And honestly, the main reason I'm pressing this is because of the way Scare tried to handle it. And it legitimately reminds me of us and Dave.

[Scarecrow]

I have suspended Wastedbro for a day, He had already talked about this on Skype with all the mods and Face about this issue and he was told to keep it off the forums because all he is doing is creating an argument.

Thanks.

[Sobo]

The rule is put in place to ultimately help the users. You may think it's "ok" if someone buys an account that was hacked because "they aren't smart enough to verify it themselves".
However, looking at it in an administrative standpoint it's not "ok" it is our job to protect our users. Because the users are what keeps the forums active. Any sort of scamming looks bad on the site to a degree and we want to cut that back.